minimus, "So no preaching to save their lives?"
They could go to China where they'll simply be imprisoned.
or do they regard them as they do ultra conservative jews and not waste their time with them, since as a people, they willfully abandoned jesus christ?
minimus, "So no preaching to save their lives?"
They could go to China where they'll simply be imprisoned.
or do they regard them as they do ultra conservative jews and not waste their time with them, since as a people, they willfully abandoned jesus christ?
Not if they live in predominantly Muslim countries. They can be killed along with the convert.
well it happened again, i got annoyed at my mom telling me all about the co visit , and i couldn't help myself, i said' oh god mom its like the pope is visiting, all that info can be told with the regular elders you don't need 'special' people .. subjects ensue,.
she says 'your misled, your so wrong, no one else on the planet has the beliefs that we do, we are the only ones with the truth, i dont follow men, bla bla.. , 40 minuets... , misquotes all over the place, isaiah this and that, yada yada ' j"vah has to have an earthy organization to give us the proper food, bla bla.
i say ' no jesus is gods mediator, we don't need men and were told not to listen to men for they are imperfect.
there's a current court case in ny which is hearing that question right now.
the precise issue is the continued captivity of two chimpanzees, (leo and hercules, names bestowed by humans) in a medical research laboratory at stony brook university.. i suggest that the application has some merit.
are not all of us "animals?
"Cockroaches are People Too"
Does that make guilty of mass murder?
i cant recall the scripture, where it says than only a few men will he live to be 80 years or so, can anyone recall that?.
so then im wondering, if it is a fact that men lived long years 900 in some cases, for what reason would god limit our lifespan if our time is so short compared to his?.
how on earth does man go from living 8 and 9 hundred years down to 80 to 100 ?.
sowhatnow,
"god 200 years limping around or with arthritis."
At least we get a good 600 years in. We can always commit suicide after that.
quick backstory:raised a jw, ms, reg pioneer, international need greater work.
i have been da for 2 years, divorced, ex and my son live 6 hours away near walkill ny.. my sons first talk is coming up, in august.
he is 7 years old.
having recently had an "awakening" - not from reading awake .... i realize i can not preach doctrines i do not believe anymore .
but i do not want the elders to start following my every move, because i also have plans to check other christian denominations.. so i am thinking, should i chat for an hour or two with an old visit and report the hours, should i tell the elders i have some doubts and i do not want to preach for now or should i just stop reporting and avoid the elders attempts to talk to me?
what do you think is the best sollution to get away with this?
Somebody elsewhere suggested that a person with a crisis of conscience should volunteer for cart duty. They don't interact with the public just standing there talking to each other.
The rest depends on whether or not you have family still in. A slow fade is the common suggestion but everyone has different circumstances.
with all the negativity here i was wondering if i am the only one here that's a witness.
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the topic pretty much says everything..
long time lurker (2009-ish), first time poster.
first of all, i want to say thank you everyone who contributes to these boards and provokes stimulating conversations and thought processes.
all the opinions and different perspectives are very enlightening.
Perry,
"JW's pick and choose a lot of things in the bible to prop up their rebellion against God when they deny the blood of the covenant that is expressly FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS."
So do both Liberal and Fundamentalist spiritualty. They simply pick and choose different portions of the Bible.
Liberals ignore the moral depravity of their Bible. American Fundamentalists ignore other scriptures such as Acts 2:45, Matthew 5:5, Matthew 25:33-45 and so forth.
You're all under the same umbrella.
long time lurker (2009-ish), first time poster.
first of all, i want to say thank you everyone who contributes to these boards and provokes stimulating conversations and thought processes.
all the opinions and different perspectives are very enlightening.
Perry,
"The biblical test for knowing God [as opposed to imagining that we know him] seems to be continued fruit of his presence. The fruit is proof the faith is (was) real."
This "knowing" is all in your brain Perry and nowhere else. We are hardwired for 'spirituality' (as an evolutionary way of bonding ourselves to the tribe). It is a way of trying to understand the world whether it be right or wrong.
Carl Sagan was a wonderful example of atheist spirituality. He reverenced the Universe.
The Dalai Lama is an example of Buddhist spirituality who said that if science were to contradict something that Buddhism taught he would choose the science.
Christianity is basically a submission ritual - also hardwired into our brain - where you get rewarded by submitting yourself to a deity. According to Christian thought it doesn't even matter how moral a person you are. Don't believe in your Jesus you're toast.